Draft talk:Hoysala War (1302–1311)

Hoax

The draft is poorly structured, incomplete, and mixes accurate events with significant errors, anachronisms, and unsupported claims. It does not accurately describe a coherent “Hoysala War (1302–1311).”

Accurate core events

• Yadava–Hoysala border conflicts occurred in the early 1300s under Yadava king Ramachandra (r. ~1271–1311) and Hoysala king Veera Ballala III (r. ~1292–1343). There were clashes around 1303–1305, including fighting near Holalkere involving Kampiladeva (a Yadava general) and the death of the Hoysala commander Someya-dannayaka. Ballala III also pushed back against Yadava forces at times (e.g., toward Lakkundi).
• Malik Kafur’s campaign (1310–1311) is well-documented. After subjugating the Yadavas (who became vassals and assisted the Delhi forces), Kafur marched south. He reached the Hoysala capital Dwarasamudra (Halebidu) around 26–27 February 1311 with a select force of ~10,000. Veera Ballala III, who had been campaigning in the south (Pandya affairs), returned and surrendered after brief resistance or negotiation. He paid heavy tribute (elephants, horses, treasure), promised annual payments, and sent his son as a hostage. The siege ended with little major fighting. Yadava assistance (including guides and logistics) facilitated the campaign.
• Parasuram Deva / Paras Deo Dalvi (a Yadava *dalavayi*/general) is attested in contemporary accounts (Amir Khusrau and others) as helping the Delhi army with local knowledge and support near Pandharpur/Bandri.

Major problems in the draft

• Title and framing: There was no single continuous “Hoysala War (1302–1311)” pitting Yadavas + Delhi Sultanate against the Hoysalas as formal allies from the start. Yadava–Hoysala fighting was intermittent border warfare. The decisive 1311 event was primarily a Delhi Sultanate expedition against the Hoysalas, with the (already subdued) Yadavas providing assistance rather than acting as co-belligerents in a joint war from 1302.
• Background section: Completely irrelevant and anachronistic. It discusses Bhillama (late 12th century founder of the independent Yadava kingdom) and early genealogy. This has nothing to do with 1302–1311.
• Prelude: Refers to 1260s events under Mahadeva (Yadava) and Narasimha III (Hoysala). These predate the draft’s date range by decades.
• Result and territorial changes: The claim that the Tungabhadra became the “final border” as a direct outcome of this period is overstated. The Tungabhadra had long been a fluctuating frontier zone between the two kingdoms. Both became Delhi vassals after the Khalji campaigns (Yadavas earlier, Hoysalas in 1311), but the draft overstates a clean territorial settlement.
• Commanders: Some names are real (Ramachandra, Kampiladeva/Kampila, Malik Kafur, Alauddin Khalji, Veera Ballala III, Someya). Others (Balak Deva Nayak, Maini Deva, Jitmal) appear in accounts of the 1311 surrender negotiations as Hoysala envoys. The draft’s presentation of a unified Yadava–Delhi command structure from 1302 is inaccurate.
• Casualties note: The statement about the 1311 siege ending with little violence after Ballala promised tribute is essentially correct.
• Structure: The “War” section is almost empty. The draft was withdrawn for improvements and remains incomplete, with misplaced 12th–13th century material.

Overall assessment

The draft correctly notes intermittent Yadava–Hoysala fighting in the early 1300s and the 1311 submission of Dwarasamudra to Malik Kafur (with Yadava facilitation). However, it invents a neat multi-year “war” framework, includes large amounts of irrelevant earlier history, and misrepresents the nature of Delhi–Yadava–Hoysala relations. Reliable sources treat the Yadava–Hoysala clashes and the Khalji southern campaigns as related but distinct episodes rather than one continuous war ending in a formal Tungabhadra border settlement.Dokania😎(📩) 13:58, 18 October 2026 (IST)

Sign you above comment. Article is well sourced. 🍁Bharatwiki Socrates🍁(📩) 13:53, 18 October 2026 (IST)

+ @Dokania This is not how hoax claims in articles should be handled as you did. You need to check all the cited sources and their links, then provide evidence showing how the sources contradict the content written in the draft.

In your AI-generated summary above, you didn't verify all the sources. Please follow the proper procedure for verifying hoax claims before making such allegations. Check all url and its cited book pages number. If sources verification failed then it will declared as hoax. 🍁Bharatwiki Socrates🍁(📩) 13:58, 18 October 2026 (IST)

I did a quick review of the draft and found that the user hasn't provided page numbers for some sources, making them difficult to verify. However, one source includes page numbers: A. S. Altekar (1960), page 519 to 521.

Therefore, the draft can only be assessed as either a source verification pass or a source verification fail based on whether the cited content matches the source. 🍁Bharatwiki Socrates🍁(📩) 14:09, 18 October 2026 (IST)

The text is word-by-word copied from Bhillama V and Yadava–Hoysala War. It just provides the irrelevant backgrounds and doesn't touch upon ongoing Hoysala war (1301-1311). So, There's no question of verification. It should be considered a tranculated copy of Yadava–Hoysala War and deleted. Dokania😎(📩) 14:13, 18 October 2026 (IST)

So, it isn't hoax as claimed ? 🍁Bharatwiki Socrates🍁(📩) 14:18, 18 October 2026 (IST)

It is hoax because title represents something that never happened and has neither content nor references to support it. Dokania😎(📩) 14:24, 18 October 2026 (IST)

A forked article can be nominated for an AfD discussion, but it doesn't qualify for speedy deletion on that basis of being forked. If the article lacks independent significance and its entire content is already covered by another article, editors may vote to delete it through an AfD discussion.

However, in this case, the article is still in the Draft, not the mainspace. 🍁Bharatwiki Socrates🍁(📩) 14:24, 18 October 2026 (IST)

The Draft isn't even completed yet well if you check the sources I cited you will find A whole section about the Seuna Hoysala War which both includes the timeline till Malik Kafur invasion of Hoysala Kingdom in SR Ritti book of "History of Seuna Yadavas". Also again it just a draft which yet have to be completed you cant judge it until it's completion . You also assumed it's doesn't touch upon ongoing war while the Ear section is empty and I am still working on it . Predator.Maratha (talk) 14:19, 18 October 2026 (IST)

Can you please show me any one good reference that proves there was an ongoing Hoysala war from 1301 to 1311? Misrepresenting multiple related but yet distinct episodes as one war is hoax, I believe. Dokania😎(📩) 14:27, 18 October 2026 (IST)