Bharatpedia:Requested moves

For the current list of potentially controversial requested moves, see § Current discussions.

"Bharatpedia:RM" and "Bharatpedia:RFPM" redirect here. For requested mergers, see Bhartpedia:Proposed article mergers. For removals, see Bharatpedia:Guide to deletion. For page history mergers, see Bharatpedia:Requests for history merge. For requesting the page mover user right, see Bharatpedia:Requests for permissions/Page mover.

For detailed guidance on how and when to move a page, see Bharatpedia:Moving a page.

Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Bharatpedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

• Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: [[../#TR|§ Requesting technical moves]].
• Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at BP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
• A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
• A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
• Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus to move the page is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will carry out the request. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved". When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion may be closed as "no consensus". See Bharatpedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Bharatpedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

• Making an uncontroversial move – if you can, be bold and do it yourself! If you can't, see § Requesting technical moves.
• Renaming a category – propose the move at Bharatpedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming a stub template – propose the move at Bharatpedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming an image or other file – see Bharatpedia:Moving a page § Moving a file page.
• Moves from draft namespace or user space to article space – Unconfirmed users: add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. See Bharatpedia:Articles for creation. Confirmed users: Move the page yourself.
• Merging two articles – make a request at Bharatpedia:Proposed mergers, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Splitting an article – make a request at Bharatpedia:Proposed article splits, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Requesting that page histories be merged – list them at Bharatpedia:Requests for history merge.
• Contesting a move request close – use the Bharatpedia:Move review process.

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

• No article exists at the new target title;
• There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
• It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

• To list a technical request: the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:

  {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}

  This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
• If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
• If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

• Om Shakti → Om Sakthi (move · discuss) – The Tamil script does not formally have a letter for /ʃ/ and ஷ is imported from some other Indic script. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• – firm went through a rebrand with new name and website- see nvpcap.com Jlsolomon74 (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Jlsolomon74 Can you provide significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article where the "nvp capital" name is used. A Google search for that term mostly turns up results for Norwest Venture Partners. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 21:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• – Change to sentence case (BP:AT). Not consistently capped in sources - per BP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS. See here. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Why would you think this would be uncontroversial? Your ngrams show that uppercase is the common styling. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Contested technical requests

– Talk:Blåbärssoppa#How about move of the title? Turaids (talk) 18:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Based on the article content, it would be more logical to rename the whole article to Bilberry soup. The article says that this soup is made from European berries, not the species found in North America. For botanical details, see the Bilberry article. EdJohnston (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Bilberry soup is not a very common name, unfortunately, but any English term would be better for a soup that's eaten not only in Sweden, but also Finland or Iceland. –Turaids (talk) 14:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

The bilberry article clearly states that it is different than the North American blueberry, so the request is unviable. It appears that Blåbärssoppa is the most common name used by people who actually eat the soup, so that should remain as the article title. The text can include variations that may exist in other countries, if relevant. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• – "Standard for the Andalusian Language" is a completely made up name that can only be found in Wikipedia mirrors when doing a Google search. "Êttandâ pal andalûh" is the more well-known name and spelling in Spanish-language sources, which constitute the vast majority of sources discussing this system. In the case that moving from a title in English to one in Spanish wouldn't be considered as uncontroversial, this page should at least be moved to the direct English translation, "Standard for Andalusian", and the made up name be deleted. Super Ψ Dro 10:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  We use English on the English Wikipedia. See WP:UE. 162 etc. (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

162 etc., did you even read what I said? Super Ψ Dro 17:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Requesting this as uncontroversial is presumptuous at best, and bad faith at worst. Per BP:UE, "If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it". Per your own comment, the sources concerning this subject are in Spanish; therefore we translate, per policy. Not necessarily opposed to Standard for Andalusian, but again, this is not the sort of thing you bring to BP:RMT. 162 etc. (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• – Revert undiscussed moves to its previous title, to follow BP:OFFICIALNAME. Ref: [1] Tim Wu (talk) 17:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

The current title corresponds to its official Chinese name. Cfls (talk) 17:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

The official English name can also be corresponded to its Chinese name 天津大学 佐治亚理工深圳学院. And the translation you invented cannot be proved nor used by anyone, but the official name is recognized by the institute itself, Chinese government and academic journal. Tim Wu (talk) 02:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• – BP:COMMONNAME. Mehedi Abedin 01:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mehedi Abedin There isn't really an obvious common name. You can start a requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link above. C F A 💬 03:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• – article now uses the Italian name of the city instead of the English name, as it should be on the English wikipedia noclador (talk) 00:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  The city was overwhelmingly known as Adalia in English at that time (and probably on Turkish too), with Antalya barely in use at all back then.[2] Suggest this at least needs a full RM.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Macedonia (ancient kingdom) → Kingdom of Macedonia (move · discuss) – There's no reason whatsoever for this page not to be at the common sense, standing redirect and naturally disambiguated common name for the topic, per BP:NCDAB - no previous discussion that I could see explains the current choice of a convoluted parenthetical alternative Iskandar323 (talk) 18:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Iskandar323 There was significant opposition to this move at Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom)/Archive 17#Requested move 16 September 2021 --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• – Much more widely used per number of Google and Google Books results. ModernDaySlavery (talk) 22:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@ModernDaySlavery "Concision" is definitely the common name here. See ngrams for example. C F A 💬 13:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

• there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
• someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see [[../#Requesting technical moves|Requesting technical moves]]. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|New name|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace New name with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 11 April 2025" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Bharatpedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Bharatpedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Bharatpediatalk:WikiProject Biography. MuskitBot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Bharatpedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Bharatpedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Bharatpedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Bharatpedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Bharatpedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1 (this parameter can be omitted for discussions hosted on a page that is proposed to be moved)
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}

See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Bharatpedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Bharatpedia with current1 set to Wikipedia and current2 set to Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article where the template is placed (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign the request with ~~~~, since the template does this automatically (so if you sign it yourself there will be two copies of your signature at the end of the request). Do not skip pairs of numbers.

MuskitBot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of all pages that are included in your request except the one hosting the discussion, to call attention to the move discussion that is in progress and to suggest that all discussion for all of the pages included in the request should take place at that one hosting location.

For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is itself proposed to be moved, it is not necessary to include the |current1=Current title of page 1 for the page hosting the discussion, as its current title can be inferred automatically. Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace, in which case it is necessary to include |current1= to indicate the first article to be moved.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

• Cricket → Cricket (sport)
• Cricket (disambiguation) → Cricket

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

• Cricket (disambiguation) → Cricket

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

• Cricket → ?

If a disambiguation page is in the way of a move, the request may be completed as proposing to add (disambiguation).

• Example → Example (disambiguation)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Bharatpedians should practice in such discussions:

• When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
• Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
• The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
• Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Bharatpedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

• Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Bharatpedia:Article titles.
• Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Bharatpedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
• The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
• Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
• Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.
• Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing. Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:RM relist}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

See also

• Bharatpedia:Requested moves/Article alerts, which includes a list of recently closed, as well as open discussions