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WikiDwarf (talk) 11:53, 9 November 2026 (IST)

Nomination of Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi Zangipuri for deletion

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Editorial Oversight^{(Talk with me)} 21:36, 13 November 2026 (IST)

Thanks and I appreciate your Efforts my friend!

the Article relies on Following sources-

Arash Mehrdad Farzan an Iranian Researcher's research Paper "An Indian-Origin Ayatollah: The First Indian Dean in the Hawza of Qom and His Recognition as a Mujtahid by Eight Grand Ayatollahs (1999)" 9 page significant coverage Research Paper by an Independent Author with DOI.

Hassan Al- Musawi's 2022 book Contemporary Shia Religious Leadership in the Indian Diaspora. Published in 2 Iraqi Cities, Najaf and Karbala, by Dar al-Thaqalayn Publications. where subject is mentioned independently and briefly on pp. Unit 7, Allamah Maulana Syed Hasan Imam, Page 49 to Page 57. Open Library ID 62675026M.

Daily Urdu Newspaper The Inquilab, which was established in 1938 even before independence, not only covers Subject 4 times in different articles

Matthias Falkenberger a German Engineer's book in 2026 The Family of Masters. published in Frankfurt am Main, Germany: by Falkenberger Verlag. Subject is mentioned at pp. Chapter no 12- Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi Zangipuri, Page 70 to Page 110. Open Library ID 62675024M.

Maimuna Adabeyo, Nigerian Researcher's 2008 research paper- Ayatollah Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi: Religious Leadership and the Institutional Structure of Hawzah-e-Ilmiya Sahibe Zamaan in Qom, Iran. is also Independent with DOI.

Maulana Syed Ahmed Afghanistani a teacher in Iran and locally known Cleric's 1995 book. Qom Ke Ayyam. published in Qom, Iran and later even published in Dasht-e Barchi, District 13, Kabul, Afghanistan: Original Publisher: Qom Publications Place of Publication: Qom, Iran Year of Original Publication: 1995 Republished by: Zarr Press Place of Republishing: Dasht-e Barchi, District 13, Kabul, Afghanistan Year of Republishing: 1997. pp. Page 5-6. Open Library ID 62675031M, Independent Book again.

David Michael Cohen's 2024 book Religious Authority and Social Change among Twelver Shia Communities. Published in New York, United States by Meridian Scholarly Publications. Covers Subject in pp. Ayatollah Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi, Page 109 to Page 130. Open Library ID 62675030M.

Syed Abbas Naqvi relative of known cleric Syed Zameer Akhtar Naqvi's 2023. Ulama of the Indian Subcontinent: Biographical Profiles and Intellectual Traditions. published in Karachi, Pakistan by Maktaba-e-Tahqiq, Pakistan. pp. Section 19, covers subject in Naqeeb-ul-Millat Ayatollah Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi, Page 127 to Page 149. Open Library ID 62675025M.

Dr Robert Levesque an American Professor's more than 500 pages book discussing Indian Muslim scholars, 2026 Indian Muslim Legends: A Comprehensive Historical Encyclopedia of Muslim scholars, Sufis, poets, philosophers, educators and reformers of Indian Sub continent. published in Fremont, California, United States, by RL Publishing, USA. covers subject significanly pp. Chapter No 73- Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi, Page 464 to Page 472. :DOI. Open Library ID 62675032M.

Moreover Syed Mehdi Jafri in 2023 wrote a whole book of subject's sermons compilation titled- Mimbar-e-Mudallal: Sermons and Intellectual Contributions of Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi. published in Karachi, Pakistan by Idara-e-Ma'arif Publications. Open Library ID 62675029M.

My Friend and a Good contributor of Bharatpedia Can You explain me that these are NOT INDEPENDENT OR RELAIBLE??? Shah Syed Muhammad Ali (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2026 (IST)

First of all, please avoid using AI-generated replies or providing AI-generated sources. Before questioning the deletion nomination, I request that you independently cross-check all the sources. Several of the provided links appear to be inaccessible, including the Open Library references, as shown in my screenshot.

Please verify whether these books and research papers actually exist and whether their publication details, authorship and contents can be independently confirmed.

More importantly, the article still does not demonstrate compliance with Bharatpedia's General Notability Guidelines (GNG). A long list of references does not automatically establish notability. The sources must provide significant coverage of the subject in reliable, independent secondary publications.

Please establish this through verifiable evidence rather than simply listing references. My nomination is based on the article's failure to demonstrate notability through reliable, independently verifiable sources. Editorial Oversight^{(Talk with me)} 22:47, 13 November 2026 (IST)

first of all dude you can copy and paste in AI detector... I'm using my bare hands to type and not AI.

2-3 books and research paper do exist online whereas other books do exist but lacks online presence... which is totally acceptable isn't it?

my friend can you please try opening it on web.. it do appears

Friend in those books and research papers subject is mentioned in 10 or more pages independently which is Independent too

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[5]https://www.pasteboard.co/aAy7sZD1YW9v.png Shah Syed Muhammad Ali (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2026 (IST)

I'm not asking you to purchase the books share the official publisher's website or an authorised online source where I can verify the books and access their contents, particularly the pages discussing the subject. Open Library listings and book-cover screenshots alone are not sufficient to verify the actual content. I would appreciate direct, verifiable sources. Editorial Oversight^{(Talk with me)} 23:33, 13 November 2026 (IST)

I got it what you're trying to say! I appreciate it!

but try to understand what I am Trying to explain.

these books do exist but okay I can understand what you want to say!

Totally fine!

the criteria of Independent sources is done as you can see Independent coverage of subject is mentioned in THE INQUILAB urdu news paper HAWZAH News Agency another Independent News Agency morevor International Outlets including Iran's IQNA Khorasan and IQNA Isfahan..... all these complete Notability criteria for Independent sources

Now let's discuss SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE PART

I've mentioned 2 Research papers and 7 books

which are inaccesible so I understand you but my friend 1 research paper and 1 book is available and we need minimum 1 significant coverage so this already qualifies

1) Not recent year's Research paper but year July 29, 2008's research paper by Female Nigerian Researcher Maimuna Adebayo (Master of Arts (M.A.) in Islamic Studies) her research paper is titled "Ayatollah Syed Hasan Imam Rizvi: Religious Leadership and the Institutional Structure of Hawzah-e-Ilmiya Sahibe Zamaan in Qom, Iran" as you can see it on zenodo it is 2008's research paper with DOI. A 15 page research paper discussing Subject briefly, Independently and Significantly

here you can view - Maimuna Adebayo's 2008 research paper

2) Dr. Robert Levesque a locally known professor and academian's book Indian Muslim Legends where you can clearly see that this is book is independent of any subject even the author as well as publication based in US claim in book they are solely responsible and book is Independent.

Book is about 575 pages

where author has discussed 100 muslim scholars, sufi, poets etc book is Divided into 100 chapters, the book covers historical personalities (Chapters 1–50), modern figures

(Chapters 51–95), and emerging younger personalities (Chapters 96–100).

where the Subject is significantly discussed in chapter 73 titled "SYED HASAN IMAM RIZVI" subject is mentioned from page 464 to 472... Subject is discussed significantly and Independently in 8 pages.

as you can see both are independent even not from India and don't relate author anyhow, they're independent as well as Significant.

If you're satisfied now I humbly again request you please remove tags!

Thanks for providing your important time! May god bless you- Shah Syed Muhammad Ali (talk) 11:42, 14 November 2026 (IST)

Thank you for explaining your position. I have checked the available records, but I still cannot independently verify the full text, publication details and editorial credentials of the two sources you highlighted.

I agree that one genuinely reliable, independent source providing significant coverage can be sufficient under GNG. However, a DOI or repository listing alone does not establish that a research paper has undergone academic review or that a book has been published through a credible editorial process.

Please provide the direct Zenodo records or full-text copies, along with the publication details and relevant pages. Once these can be verified, I am willing to reconsider my nomination.

I am not claiming that the sources are fake. I am simply asking for verifiable evidence before accepting them as sufficient to establish notability. Editorial Oversight^{(Talk with me)} 12:46, 14 November 2026 (IST)

Thanks Again for your warm guesture my friend! I happy to know that you are willing to take back nomination

• About research paper- Published in 2008- Maimuna Adebayo the author of research paper was student of University of Ilorin, in Ilorin Nigeria. she have pursued M.A in Islamic studies and this research was one of her research during her college days for which she herself visited Qom, Iran for Reasearch. this is the most information I have with myself as I haven't met author well the paper also has DOI, published in 2008 and has undergone Academic Review by Chukwuemeka Okafor Direct Zenodo Record where you can access PDF also-

https://archive.org/details/nigerian-researcher-maimuna-adabeyo

https://zenodo.org/records/24040626.

• About book- authored by California based Professor Dr. Robert Levesque. the book has gone formally through credible editorial process.

Subject's Mention from page 464 to page 472-

Chapter 73 titled- Ayatollah Zangipuri

page no 464- https://archive.org/details/indian-muslim-legends-dr.-robert-levesque

page no 464- https://zenodo.org/records/23338154

If you are satisfied please remove tags as I have removed promotional texts too my friend. Thanks for Investing your time and improving Article. May God Bless you- Shah Syed Muhammad Ali (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2026 (IST)